tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post3844691046678305447..comments2024-03-02T10:48:48.293+08:00Comments on Commentary On Seerah And History: Namesake: Is Jesus Prophet Isa?SM Derishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-73577427566181047352012-08-25T00:34:32.188+08:002012-08-25T00:34:32.188+08:00Hehehe, it is over already, my friend.Hehehe, it is over already, my friend.SM Derishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-16760005244129635952012-08-23T02:46:29.977+08:002012-08-23T02:46:29.977+08:00Lol :) I think you over dwell on the issue. Its no...Lol :) I think you over dwell on the issue. Its not something worth dwelling over. There are more important things that you need to focus on than just names. The other thing is, if you are so concerned on the issue and have doubts then just name the prophet ISA as this will eliminate all doubts on your part. You can put Jesus in brackets). When it comes to uncertainties here is what the prophet says "Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt." narrated by Termithi and Nasaee, and Tirmithi said it is true and fine hadith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-87542152071051754382012-02-09T17:45:52.679+08:002012-02-09T17:45:52.679+08:00Most welcome, brother.Most welcome, brother.SM Derishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-14499567581222138382012-02-09T16:02:28.752+08:002012-02-09T16:02:28.752+08:00Tq brother, now I can see your pointTq brother, now I can see your pointAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-53965522761764268542012-02-09T14:20:32.058+08:002012-02-09T14:20:32.058+08:00You have to understand the nuance in that paragrap...You have to understand the nuance in that paragraph brother. If you read again, and more carefully, and relate it to a few paragraphs that come before it, then I think you will see the point.<br /><br />That paragraph is simply a challenge to those who say that Abraham had tricked his wife and his son during the sacrifice. To Muslims, this remark is offensive, because Nabi Ibrahim explained the dream to both his wife and son, and they submitted willingly. And to Muslims, it was not Sarah and Isaac in the story of sacrifice, it was Hagar and Ishmael.<br /><br />Thus, you prior knowledge is correct, brother, but you have misunderstood the paragraph.SM Derishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-36627273634838829772012-02-09T02:20:23.229+08:002012-02-09T02:20:23.229+08:00Salam brother. I am bit troubled with one of your ...Salam brother. I am bit troubled with one of your para above<br />" Or that the Partriach Abraham had tricked his wife Sarah and his son Isaac during the sacrifice. Prophet Ibrahim tricked his wife and his son? Didn't he explain the dream to both of them? Were not both of them willingly submitted? And who are these Sarah and Isaac? It was Hagar and Ishmael, for God's sake."<br />Did you mean Sarah and Isaac, and, Hagar and Ishmail, were the same persons? Or did I fail to understand your writings? For what I know, whether in Quran or in Bible, they were different wives and sons of Ibrahim, where Isaac was the lineage for the israelites while Ishmail for the arabs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-41968274536166360772012-01-20T17:01:22.511+08:002012-01-20T17:01:22.511+08:00Salam Maal,
I have been receiving similar questio...Salam Maal,<br /><br />I have been receiving similar question privately. Perhaps in the near future I will talk about it in my entry. Stay tune.<br /><br />Briefly, it is a controversial issue, a highly debated matter, and the truth is I rarely engage in controversial issue such as this. I am not interested actually, but make an effort to know what it entails.<br /><br />Now, Jesus is a Jew according to Bible, since both Matthew and Luke trace him to Judah, either through his step father Joseph, or his mother Mary. But Quranic commentators consider him a Levite, since Mary is mentioned as the sister of Aaron (Harun) as well as Amran (Imran) who are Levites. There are a lot of disputes on both sides. <br /><br />But as for him being an Israelite, this is not to be disputed, since both Jew and Levite are Israelites. Yet, the common usage uses both Jews and Israelites interchangeably, and popular usage tends to use Jews to mean Israelites. I am using common as well as popular usagesSM Derishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-18202112767692071172012-01-19T22:26:21.409+08:002012-01-19T22:26:21.409+08:00Wasn't Jesus/Isa an Israelite (Bani Israel) as...Wasn't Jesus/Isa an Israelite (Bani Israel) as his lineage was through Levi/Lawi on to Jacob/Yaqub (a.k.a Israel)? He would have been a Jew only if it was through Judah/Yahuda.maalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-31456395649283874652012-01-19T10:05:47.736+08:002012-01-19T10:05:47.736+08:00Part 2
Although our holy scripture reads “Eesa-(i...Part 2<br /><br />Although our holy scripture reads “Eesa-(i)bnu-Mariam”, simply means ‘Isa, the son of Maryam’, the word ‘Jesus’ and ‘Mary’ were used in both translations and these have been accepted worldwide for generations. Nothing is wrong with that. Most probably, majority of the English-speaking Muslims do not know who is ‘Isa’ but Jesus Christ. We never know. <br /><br />By saying Jesus Christ is Prophet Isa, we are referring to the same PERSON. Not the GOD. Specifically to the SON of Mary (popularly known as ‘Mariam’ for Malays), that MAN from Nazareth, that rabbi who ate food, walked the street, slept, cried and sweat like all other human beings. We make reference to Jesus the Prophet of Allah, the one who received from Almighty God, a scripture that was called the ‘Evangel’ (means ‘good news’ in English) or in Arabic the ‘Injeel’. The man who neither said “I am God, therefore worship me” nor claimed himself as ‘the son of God’ (but he was made into one). There is no contradiction on the above facts, both in the Quran and Bible. It is simple to conclude that those attributes do not represent and make Prophet Isa/Jesus Christ (PBUH) a God. We are referring to the same man.<br /><br />So why we cannot refer Prophet Isa as Jesus Christ (Jesus = Eesa = Esau = Yeheshua; Christ = Al-Masih = Messiah)? What makes Malay Muslims special from the other 1.5 billion Muslims for having such an extra restriction?IMHO YMMVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01342979584490574612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-37520837500973886732012-01-19T10:05:13.881+08:002012-01-19T10:05:13.881+08:00Part 1 of 2 (need to break this comment for being ...Part 1 of 2 (need to break this comment for being too long).<br /><br />That Sayyid friend of yours, together with his mosque community, sounds too familiar to me. I think I know him. We most likely belong to the same ‘kariah’. I might be wrong though. For argument sake, I’d just assume that he and his ‘kariah’ members are MALAY Muslims just like me. <br /><br />In Malaysia (where Malays generally regarded as Muslims), the issue of ‘Islamic names’ extends beyond our current discussion. We are just unique in our own way. Different from the rest of the Muslim communities. For instance, many still believe that once embracing Islam, Subramaniam or Wong Ah Kau (random names) need to change their names to something ‘Islamic’. That’s a pre-condition set by the community. It is worth noting that Chinese are generally sensitive when it comes to their family or surnames. Some might drop the whole idea of converting, just because they are not willing to forego their identity. As simple as that, we lose another potential Muslim brother. For the informed lot, they know for sure that one can retain their name, provided that such original name has good meaning, in whatever native language. On the other hand, we have local Muslim brothers by the name of Jonah, Noah, Dudayev, Allen, Tugiman, Tugimin, Tugimon and even Hitler (random, just to name a few). All of which do not sound ‘Islamic’ to me. So which one? Confused, discriminating or what, it is something for us to ponder.<br /><br />Back to the topic in question. I totally agree with Brother smderis on the reference of Jesus Christ as Prophet Isa, vice versa. That is a fact accepted by the vast majority of Muslims worldwide for decades. Sadly, there are still many ‘uninformed’ Muslims around this region who cannot agree to such conviction, also for decades. The reason for such ignorance is simple: language barrier. Most of the older generations, both deceased and surviving, have not been exposed to other languages than their own mother tongue, hence limiting their knowledge to only those literatures that they can read and understand. This whole issue would not pop out in the first place if they are literate in English.<br /><br />In line with the current topic, it is appropriate for me to make reference to Surah Al-Imran verse 45. Two of the most authoritative Quran translators, translate the verse as follow:<br /><br />1) Abdullah Yusuf Ali<br />Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;<br /><br />2)MW Pickthall<br /><br />(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).IMHO YMMVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01342979584490574612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-53525865015258097952012-01-19T00:22:13.376+08:002012-01-19T00:22:13.376+08:00As far as my knowledge is concerned, english trans...As far as my knowledge is concerned, english translations of Al-Quran written by well known scholars are using Jesus for Prophet Isa. Correct me if I am wrong.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303334677863206525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-76524124075012637092012-01-18T12:37:18.756+08:002012-01-18T12:37:18.756+08:00Pretty much like the issue whether Allah and God b...Pretty much like the issue whether Allah and God being the same "thing," as was hotly debated in Malaysia not too long ago, and still an issue nowSM Derishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13968496258475420465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2304369412849298861.post-57572662234794418182012-01-18T12:04:47.148+08:002012-01-18T12:04:47.148+08:00Hmmm....
Some people think its small matter. But s...Hmmm....<br />Some people think its small matter. But some take it seriously. I think the more you know, the more complicated things you can make. Its our own choice really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com